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	<title>Comments on: Belltown&#8217;s McGuire Apartments Killed by Flawed Construction</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2010/04/10/belltowns-mcguire-apartments-killed-by-flawed-construction/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well. I guess architects will be liable for this on top of the constrution co. I cant believe  new building has to be taken down, what did inspectors do before open the building? wasnt the building should have undergone complete safety inspection before tenents move in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. I guess architects will be liable for this on top of the constrution co. I cant believe  new building has to be taken down, what did inspectors do before open the building? wasnt the building should have undergone complete safety inspection before tenents move in?</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estate Observer</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2010/04/10/belltowns-mcguire-apartments-killed-by-flawed-construction/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Real Estate Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harbor Properties was the developer and originally leased and managed the property on behalf of its owners.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The transaction was structured as the construction of two condominiums occupying the same high-rise structure.  The apartment portion (which accounts for most of the space) is owned by a highly-regarded national pension fund managed by a respected real estate advisor. Offices occupied by the Carpenters Union are owned by the Carpenters Local. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The pension fund has financed and owns many millions of feet of union-built commercial space across the U.S., including in the Seattle market. The pension fund is a successful and responsible owner-investor that adheres to a high level of fiduciary responsibility and typically holds its projects for longer periods than do many investors.  As others have noted, the developer, Harbor Properties, is highly regarded in the Seattle market and the architect, contractor and key players were &quot;known quantities&quot;.  According to the news accounts, contractor error seems to be the likely problem (improper sealing of the structure), although the stance of the engineering inspection company appears troubling. (Having read the news accounts, I wonder if the engineering inspector performed its job adequately?)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to whether or not the building can be salvaged: the liability risk to the ownership would be staggering if the structure continued to be occupied.  There&#039;s also the question of economic performance: how many people would want to move in after this coverage?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All told, this is a very sad outcome for all concerned, from the residents, to the developer, to the unions that built the project, to the pension fund and the Carpenters Union that own the project.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, it is possible that the owners of the project will opt to rebuild on the site-- with a different contractor and engineering inspector, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harbor Properties was the developer and originally leased and managed the property on behalf of its owners.</p>
<p>The transaction was structured as the construction of two condominiums occupying the same high-rise structure.  The apartment portion (which accounts for most of the space) is owned by a highly-regarded national pension fund managed by a respected real estate advisor. Offices occupied by the Carpenters Union are owned by the Carpenters Local. </p>
<p>The pension fund has financed and owns many millions of feet of union-built commercial space across the U.S., including in the Seattle market. The pension fund is a successful and responsible owner-investor that adheres to a high level of fiduciary responsibility and typically holds its projects for longer periods than do many investors.  As others have noted, the developer, Harbor Properties, is highly regarded in the Seattle market and the architect, contractor and key players were &#8220;known quantities&#8221;.  According to the news accounts, contractor error seems to be the likely problem (improper sealing of the structure), although the stance of the engineering inspection company appears troubling. (Having read the news accounts, I wonder if the engineering inspector performed its job adequately?)</p>
<p>As to whether or not the building can be salvaged: the liability risk to the ownership would be staggering if the structure continued to be occupied.  There&#8217;s also the question of economic performance: how many people would want to move in after this coverage?</p>
<p>All told, this is a very sad outcome for all concerned, from the residents, to the developer, to the unions that built the project, to the pension fund and the Carpenters Union that own the project.</p>
<p>That said, it is possible that the owners of the project will opt to rebuild on the site&#8211; with a different contractor and engineering inspector, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: cockfighter</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2010/04/10/belltowns-mcguire-apartments-killed-by-flawed-construction/#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cockfighter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no shame in black mon holmes game!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no shame in black mon holmes game!</p>
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		<title>By: checker</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2010/04/10/belltowns-mcguire-apartments-killed-by-flawed-construction/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[checker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;d love to speak with someone free of charge&quot;...more value added services from the legal community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d love to speak with someone free of charge&#8221;&#8230;more value added services from the legal community.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Blackmon</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2010/04/10/belltowns-mcguire-apartments-killed-by-flawed-construction/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Blackmon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the comment above.  Those people are really getting hit hard. I&#039;m an attorney and would be happy to speak with someone who is being asked to move out of the McGuire Apt Building before the end of their lease.  It may be that the tenants are in a stronger position than they realize --- they may be able to get much more in concessions that what is being offered by the owner to end the leases early.  It sounds like an interesting matter and I&#039;d love to speak with someone free of charge.&lt;br/&gt;Craig&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://blackmonholmes.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blackmonholmes.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;206-357-4222]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comment above.  Those people are really getting hit hard. I&#8217;m an attorney and would be happy to speak with someone who is being asked to move out of the McGuire Apt Building before the end of their lease.  It may be that the tenants are in a stronger position than they realize &#8212; they may be able to get much more in concessions that what is being offered by the owner to end the leases early.  It sounds like an interesting matter and I&#8217;d love to speak with someone free of charge.<br />Craig<br /> <a href="http://blackmonholmes.com" rel="nofollow">http://blackmonholmes.com</a><br />206-357-4222</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van Baker</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2010/04/10/belltowns-mcguire-apartments-killed-by-flawed-construction/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael van Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, they were an original co-developer. See the newer &quot;cast of characters&quot; post for more on who did what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they were an original co-developer. See the newer &#8220;cast of characters&#8221; post for more on who did what.</p>
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