Comments on: What’s the “Philosophy” Behind Babies Coughing to Death?

By: Shelly

Shelly — Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:40:08 +0000

Have any of you intelligent people posting comments ever spent a month quarantined in a hospital room listening to your beautiful newborn baby gasp for air, turn blue, and cough until all the blood vessels in her eyes rupture? Thought not…..

By: ChuckA

ChuckA — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:13:00 +0000

Let’s check your math:
1) 1,000,000/300,000 = about 3 and 1/3 years, not 7
2) Between 1940-1945 there were 147,000 cases and approximately 8,000 deaths. I will be generous and say that for every 19 cases there was one death. Even though the vaccines have not improved their effective rates since the 1940’s, the medical treatment of patients has made improvements over the past 70 years. The average number of cases to 1 death for 2000-2009 is 1,175. So if there is 147,000 cases today, the number of deaths would be 125, a 98% reduction in the number of deaths compared to 1940-1945.

By: MinorityView

MinorityView — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:39:00 +0000

Michael,
Does the vaccine prevent carriage and transmission? What is the actual rate of pertussis in the U.S.? Not the reported cases, but the estimated number of cases which are overlooked?
from the CDC: “Pertussis affects an estimated 600,000 adults every year, aged 20 to 64
years, and can result in weeks of coughing, cracked ribs from severe
coughing spells, pneumonia, and other complications.” http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/r051109.htm
So for all of those years when supposedly the vaccine was saving everyone there were hundreds of thousands of unnoticed cases of adults with pertussis wandering around coughing on babies who were too young to be vaccinated. Why weren’t there many, many, many thousands of dead babies? Perhaps something changed in the ability of the medical profession to treat babies with severe breathing problems between the 1930s and the 1980s?
Now that there is a vaccine available for adults and teens it is magically going to prevent hundreds of thousands of unnoticed cases of adults with pertussis wandering around coughing on babies who are too young to be vaccinated? Not unless the vaccine prevents carriage and transmission. As it happens… “Vaccinated adolescents and adults may serve as reservoirs for silent
infection and become potential transmitters to unprotected infants
(3-11). The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against
clinical disease, not against infection (15-17). Therefore, even young,
recently vaccinated children may serve as reservoirs and potential
transmitters of infection.” http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no5/pdf/srugo.pdf
Just to save time, the current vaccine is not the same as the whole-cell vaccine. It is apparently even less effective–but it is also slightly less dangerous.

By: Michael van Baker

Michael van Baker — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:29:00 +0000

Chuck, that depends on how you define “very ineffective,” doesn’t it? The NNNI admits that the current pertussis vaccine is “is 59-89% effective in preventing pertussis, while the protection rates
for diphtheria and tetanus are higher. Pertussis occasionally occurs in
children who have received the pertussis immunization, but it is less
severe and has fewer complications.”

Now let’s compare the vaccine to no vaccine at all: “Approximately 50 out of every 10,000 people who develop pertussis die from the disease. Between 1940-1945, before widespread vaccination, as many as 147,000 cases of pertussis were reported in the United States each year, with approximately 8,000 deaths caused by the disease. In 1976, there were 1,010 case of pertussis in the US, the lowest number of cases ever reported. Over the past few years the number of reported cases of pertussis has increased, reaching 25, 827 in 2004. Worldwide, there are an estimated 300,000 annual deaths due to pertussis.”

Using that last number, you arrive at millions in 7 years.

By: ChuckA

ChuckA — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:21:00 +0000

Michael,
You need to review some basic documentation from the CDC before making unsubstantiated claims that can quickly be disproved.
There have been thousands of cases of Whooping cough every year between 1965 until 2002. Before 1965 and after 2002 there are tens of thousands of cases every year. The last year there was more than 100 deaths was 1963. The only years there have not been any deaths are 1991, 2008, and 2009.
Fact: The pertussis vaccine is very ineffective and requiring vaccination will not resolve the problem. History has already proven that over the past 3 decades. Since 1950 there have been 5000 deaths from pertussis. You cannot possible calculate the number of years that millions of pertussis deaths would take globally, so stop trying.

By: Michael van Baker

Michael van Baker — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:41:00 +0000

You explain that to the two dead infants, Hillary. But be prepared to talk loudly, because they may not hear you. Nothing can have been more conclusively demonstrated than the effectiveness of vaccinations. I can’t argue with someone who can’t grasp that diseases that once killed millions have been more or less eradicated by vaccines.