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	<title>Comments on: What is the Sound of Washington State&#8217;s Economy Treading Water?</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2011/06/17/what-is-the-sound-of-washington-states-economy-treading-water/#comment-4667</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Lord, someone save us! (Batman, Spiderman, Bueller??)

I had a colleague a while back (very conservative) who insisted that the best way to manage gov&#039;t operations was to keep pushing them down the stack, from federal, to state, to city....  I could only imagine that he&#039;d never seen the details of State vs federal employees&#039; output. Yeah, the feds have their issues, but nothing like these mooks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord, someone save us! (Batman, Spiderman, Bueller??)</p>
<p>I had a colleague a while back (very conservative) who insisted that the best way to manage gov&#8217;t operations was to keep pushing them down the stack, from federal, to state, to city&#8230;.  I could only imagine that he&#8217;d never seen the details of State vs federal employees&#8217; output. Yeah, the feds have their issues, but nothing like these mooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van Baker</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2011/06/17/what-is-the-sound-of-washington-states-economy-treading-water/#comment-4666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael van Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! Then I have a funny story for you!

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/06/16/and-the-number-is-whatever-you-say-it-is/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Then I have a funny story for you!</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/06/16/and-the-number-is-whatever-you-say-it-is/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/06/16/and-the-number-is-whatever-you-say-it-is/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear you, MvB! Excel has turned into a complete piece of crap as far as making graphs goes. I actually thought this had come from the State, which would be more inexcusable. (hell, they have unlimited resources, right?)

I&#039;m no expert on this economic stuff - apparently nobody is, as far as I can tell. But I do now data and data presentation. Having a $183 million shortfall sounds really, really bad. But if the expected revenue was $500 million would be a far different story than if it were 2 billion. Or 20 billion. I&#039;m just asking for context and data.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, MvB! Excel has turned into a complete piece of crap as far as making graphs goes. I actually thought this had come from the State, which would be more inexcusable. (hell, they have unlimited resources, right?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert on this economic stuff &#8211; apparently nobody is, as far as I can tell. But I do now data and data presentation. Having a $183 million shortfall sounds really, really bad. But if the expected revenue was $500 million would be a far different story than if it were 2 billion. Or 20 billion. I&#8217;m just asking for context and data.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van Baker</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2011/06/17/what-is-the-sound-of-washington-states-economy-treading-water/#comment-4664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael van Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, *you* try making a graph in Excel these days. I remember when you could just make a graph with a single line. I have no idea why it placed the data points in the middle, when they belong at the top. Anyway, unemployment is more than important--I&#039;m arguing it&#039;s the crux of the state&#039;s economic failure. Right *there* is the missing demand, the missing tax revenue, etc., and it&#039;s chronic. It would be an almost perfectly flat line for the past two years, except for the recent revision of the unemployment numbers upward in early &#039;10. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, *you* try making a graph in Excel these days. I remember when you could just make a graph with a single line. I have no idea why it placed the data points in the middle, when they belong at the top. Anyway, unemployment is more than important&#8211;I&#8217;m arguing it&#8217;s the crux of the state&#8217;s economic failure. Right *there* is the missing demand, the missing tax revenue, etc., and it&#8217;s chronic. It would be an almost perfectly flat line for the past two years, except for the recent revision of the unemployment numbers upward in early &#8217;10. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the hell is the first graph? No labels on the axes, but a helpful blue square (against an identical blue background) that says &#039;unemployment rate&#039;. Sadly, those numbers seem to have nothing to do with the y-axis.

And, given that the article seems to focus on Raha&#039;s numbers, wouldn&#039;t it make a lot more sense to show how his numbers have changed over time (given that you talk about it changing $183 million - from what??) We&#039;ve got 2 unemployment graphs combined with a discussion of state revenue. 

Clearly unemployment is important (and depressing), but these graphs are just &#039;look nice&#039; things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell is the first graph? No labels on the axes, but a helpful blue square (against an identical blue background) that says &#8216;unemployment rate&#8217;. Sadly, those numbers seem to have nothing to do with the y-axis.</p>
<p>And, given that the article seems to focus on Raha&#8217;s numbers, wouldn&#8217;t it make a lot more sense to show how his numbers have changed over time (given that you talk about it changing $183 million &#8211; from what??) We&#8217;ve got 2 unemployment graphs combined with a discussion of state revenue. </p>
<p>Clearly unemployment is important (and depressing), but these graphs are just &#8216;look nice&#8217; things.</p>
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