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		<title>By: xactomundo</title>
		<link>https://thesunbreak.com/2012/02/22/no-more-dogs-in-grocery-stores/#comment-105213</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Honey, your dog is not a child. I have a dog and it is part of our family, but it is an effing animal and it is not afforded the same rights as people. You are rude and narcissistic to expect everyone else to put up with your dog in places they do not belong. But that is OK, right, as long as YOU are comfortable. It is selfish and rude, and an insult to physically impaired people who actually need guide dogs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Honey, your dog is not a child. I have a dog and it is part of our family, but it is an effing animal and it is not afforded the same rights as people. You are rude and narcissistic to expect everyone else to put up with your dog in places they do not belong. But that is OK, right, as long as YOU are comfortable. It is selfish and rude, and an insult to physically impaired people who actually need guide dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: RICHARD</title>
		<link>https://thesunbreak.com/2012/02/22/no-more-dogs-in-grocery-stores/#comment-105205</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WHAT?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT?</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And by the way, I shudder at the thought of being issued an identifying bracelet to wear identifying me as disabled if I should use a service dog, as mentioned above!  Can you imagine!  What if it were forgotten, or broke?  Clasps can be difficult to manipulate, swelling of extremities can be an issue.  

Vests and harnesses are expensive, by the way - as mentioned above can sometimes cost upwards of $200 to $250.

Besides, who wants to be &quot;identified&quot; as disabled?  It may be obvious when entering an establishment with a service dog there is a disability, but now, one would be able to, for instance, walk down a street without advertising the fact.

Perhaps a tatoo would be more permanent solution?  Now, would that go on the owner or the dog or both??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, I shudder at the thought of being issued an identifying bracelet to wear identifying me as disabled if I should use a service dog, as mentioned above!  Can you imagine!  What if it were forgotten, or broke?  Clasps can be difficult to manipulate, swelling of extremities can be an issue.  </p>
<p>Vests and harnesses are expensive, by the way &#8211; as mentioned above can sometimes cost upwards of $200 to $250.</p>
<p>Besides, who wants to be &#8220;identified&#8221; as disabled?  It may be obvious when entering an establishment with a service dog there is a disability, but now, one would be able to, for instance, walk down a street without advertising the fact.</p>
<p>Perhaps a tatoo would be more permanent solution?  Now, would that go on the owner or the dog or both??</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Service dogs start out as puppies, and depending on when socialization and training begins are afforded the same rights as &quot;working&quot; service dogs. 

There is, however, a difference between a service dog and a a therapy dog, as I believe was pointed out earlier.  The author of this post is correct - a person with a Therapy dog would likely know the difference between a Service dog and a Therapy dog and would (one would hope) NOT attempt to bring a Therapy dog into a store!  

Therapy dogs do not operate under the laws made for service dogs, and are not allowed in grocery/food establishments.  Other establishments have the right to allow or refuse Therapy dogs, provided there are no specific laws banning dogs in the type of establishment. 

Some people confuse Psychiatric Service Dogs with Therapy dogs.  A psychiatric service dog has to do more than just provide comfort to the owner - they are required to perform at least two tasks that help that person function.  Things like getting medication, alerting, etc.

A Therapy dog&#039;s function is to provide comfort to others, generally in situations where there is some impairment of the person or people being visited:  Hospitals, nursing homes, hospices, schools, libraries (READ dogs are Therapy dogs,) victims of crimes, disasters, etc.  (The famous Lutheran Services Golden Retrievers are examples of &quot;Comfort&quot; dogs who are actually therapy dogs.)  Emotional Support dogs generally fall into the rough category of Therapy dogs.

There are therapy dogs who actually work with professionals (either their own or as a dog/owner team in conjunction with a professional) to assist in Animal Assisted Therapy.  An example of this would be the many Therapy dogs who have assisted veterans with post traumatic stress disorder.

A puppy generally will not qualify as a Therapy dog by any of the companies who certify and insure Therapy dogs - because they cannot pass the rigourous testing/training and certification process.  As a matter of fact, most companies have a minimum age requirement.  Of course, there are animals who operate as Therapy dogs who are not certified, but regardless, they still do not have the same rights as Service dogs, and aren&#039;t allowed in grocery stores.

To identify a service dog, a business is allowed to ask if a person has a disability, but NOT what the disability is = straight from the US Department of Justice, Civil Rights division: &quot;Some, but not all, service animals wear special collars and harnesses. Some, but not all, are licensed or certified and have identification papers. If you are not certain that an animal is a service animal, you may ask the person who has the animal if it is a service animal required because of a disability. However, an individual who is going to a restaurant or theater is not likely to be carrying documentation of his or her medical condition or disability. Therefore, such documentation generally may not be required as a condition for providing service to an individual accompanied by a service animal. Although a number of states have programs to certify service animals, you may not insist on proof of state certification before permitting the service animal to accompany the person with a disability.&quot;

In addition, to further evaluate whether or not the dog is a service dog, one may ask what tasks the dog performs.  

Even if a state or local law provides for differing actions/questions about a service law, the Federal law overides.

It seems to me that sometimes a business, despairing of being able to train their employees on these two questions, simply tell them NOT to question, ever, for fear of being opened up to lawsuits.  

A service dog may be ejected from a facility if it is disruptive.  The owner may not be banned.

As a disabled person, I dread the day when the ignorance of others causes Service dogs to have to be identified by special leashes, harnesses, etc., certification processes, training, or special liscences, or any other such &quot;Identification&quot; that may cause increased cost, time, or hardships on those who own and use them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Service dogs start out as puppies, and depending on when socialization and training begins are afforded the same rights as &#8220;working&#8221; service dogs. </p>
<p>There is, however, a difference between a service dog and a a therapy dog, as I believe was pointed out earlier.  The author of this post is correct &#8211; a person with a Therapy dog would likely know the difference between a Service dog and a Therapy dog and would (one would hope) NOT attempt to bring a Therapy dog into a store!  </p>
<p>Therapy dogs do not operate under the laws made for service dogs, and are not allowed in grocery/food establishments.  Other establishments have the right to allow or refuse Therapy dogs, provided there are no specific laws banning dogs in the type of establishment. </p>
<p>Some people confuse Psychiatric Service Dogs with Therapy dogs.  A psychiatric service dog has to do more than just provide comfort to the owner &#8211; they are required to perform at least two tasks that help that person function.  Things like getting medication, alerting, etc.</p>
<p>A Therapy dog&#8217;s function is to provide comfort to others, generally in situations where there is some impairment of the person or people being visited:  Hospitals, nursing homes, hospices, schools, libraries (READ dogs are Therapy dogs,) victims of crimes, disasters, etc.  (The famous Lutheran Services Golden Retrievers are examples of &#8220;Comfort&#8221; dogs who are actually therapy dogs.)  Emotional Support dogs generally fall into the rough category of Therapy dogs.</p>
<p>There are therapy dogs who actually work with professionals (either their own or as a dog/owner team in conjunction with a professional) to assist in Animal Assisted Therapy.  An example of this would be the many Therapy dogs who have assisted veterans with post traumatic stress disorder.</p>
<p>A puppy generally will not qualify as a Therapy dog by any of the companies who certify and insure Therapy dogs &#8211; because they cannot pass the rigourous testing/training and certification process.  As a matter of fact, most companies have a minimum age requirement.  Of course, there are animals who operate as Therapy dogs who are not certified, but regardless, they still do not have the same rights as Service dogs, and aren&#8217;t allowed in grocery stores.</p>
<p>To identify a service dog, a business is allowed to ask if a person has a disability, but NOT what the disability is = straight from the US Department of Justice, Civil Rights division: &#8220;Some, but not all, service animals wear special collars and harnesses. Some, but not all, are licensed or certified and have identification papers. If you are not certain that an animal is a service animal, you may ask the person who has the animal if it is a service animal required because of a disability. However, an individual who is going to a restaurant or theater is not likely to be carrying documentation of his or her medical condition or disability. Therefore, such documentation generally may not be required as a condition for providing service to an individual accompanied by a service animal. Although a number of states have programs to certify service animals, you may not insist on proof of state certification before permitting the service animal to accompany the person with a disability.&#8221;</p>
<p>In addition, to further evaluate whether or not the dog is a service dog, one may ask what tasks the dog performs.  </p>
<p>Even if a state or local law provides for differing actions/questions about a service law, the Federal law overides.</p>
<p>It seems to me that sometimes a business, despairing of being able to train their employees on these two questions, simply tell them NOT to question, ever, for fear of being opened up to lawsuits.  </p>
<p>A service dog may be ejected from a facility if it is disruptive.  The owner may not be banned.</p>
<p>As a disabled person, I dread the day when the ignorance of others causes Service dogs to have to be identified by special leashes, harnesses, etc., certification processes, training, or special liscences, or any other such &#8220;Identification&#8221; that may cause increased cost, time, or hardships on those who own and use them.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>https://thesunbreak.com/2012/02/22/no-more-dogs-in-grocery-stores/#comment-105202</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I&#039;m going to start bringing my therapy snake with me to the grocery store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m going to start bringing my therapy snake with me to the grocery store.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hladky</title>
		<link>https://thesunbreak.com/2012/02/22/no-more-dogs-in-grocery-stores/#comment-105192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hladky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CH:  If you met me in Wal Mart you would think there is no health problems with me, Just a older lady with her pet.  You would be wrong,   I have diabetes and I have a small poodle, yes  she is trained to detect my low blood sugar and I have CVD with no chest pain warnings, some people call it silent heart attacks.   I continually train her with outings to public businesses. We continually work on her manners.  I do as much CE hours to learn how to continually train her to respect the public.    She is well behaved no barking, etc.  If she should ever misbehave i,e, barking I would leave the public area.  I also would leave a public area when my daughter or grandchildren would act up.  I need my service dog for my health but I also respect other people.  When in a crowded area I pick up my 6# SD to 1.  protect others from falling over her because they are not watching where they are going and 2.  to protect her from being  injured.   I keep her away from food, she is not allowed to be in the produce or meat area.  She is either on the floor or in my arms while my husband picks out the food.  If she is in a cart I always put down a barrier of some kind.  I use Lysol or disinfectant wipes before and after she has been in the cart.  I do not believe any parents goes this far to clean carts before or after their children use the carts.  When we go out to eat I choose a booth that is out of the way where most patrons are eating.  No I do not have to but I do this to be respectful to others.  She is trained to sit or lie at her choice under the table.  Again I place a barrier on the floor for her protection since not all floors are all that clean.  We have had one accident and I always carry poo bags, Lysol wipes, and it was cleaned up with in seconds.    Her accident is not as bad as children having accidents in a public area but you do not see parents cleaning up the area after the children.  My SD is vet checked every 6 mo. more often if something comes up.  She has had all her vaccinations, she is groomed by a groomer ever 3 weeks, bathed by me if needed in between  grooming visits,  she is brushed before we leave the house. I try to go the extra mile to take care of her because she takes care of me.  We try to think of others.  Why can the public be so narrow minded about service animals.  Our SD&#039;s are just another tool to help us with our condition.   If  you see me having to inject insulin demand I not inject myself with the needed medication,   If you see me having to take a nitro because I am having angina or chest pain get mad, throw a temper tantrum, demand I leave the building.   If you see a person having a seizure would you demand the business not allow that person to ever return to the business.  This is modern times not mid EVIL times.   Try educating yourself about all the medical alert SD can take care of.    Try a little compassion for others that are not luck enough to have the good health you have been blessed with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH:  If you met me in Wal Mart you would think there is no health problems with me, Just a older lady with her pet.  You would be wrong,   I have diabetes and I have a small poodle, yes  she is trained to detect my low blood sugar and I have CVD with no chest pain warnings, some people call it silent heart attacks.   I continually train her with outings to public businesses. We continually work on her manners.  I do as much CE hours to learn how to continually train her to respect the public.    She is well behaved no barking, etc.  If she should ever misbehave i,e, barking I would leave the public area.  I also would leave a public area when my daughter or grandchildren would act up.  I need my service dog for my health but I also respect other people.  When in a crowded area I pick up my 6# SD to 1.  protect others from falling over her because they are not watching where they are going and 2.  to protect her from being  injured.   I keep her away from food, she is not allowed to be in the produce or meat area.  She is either on the floor or in my arms while my husband picks out the food.  If she is in a cart I always put down a barrier of some kind.  I use Lysol or disinfectant wipes before and after she has been in the cart.  I do not believe any parents goes this far to clean carts before or after their children use the carts.  When we go out to eat I choose a booth that is out of the way where most patrons are eating.  No I do not have to but I do this to be respectful to others.  She is trained to sit or lie at her choice under the table.  Again I place a barrier on the floor for her protection since not all floors are all that clean.  We have had one accident and I always carry poo bags, Lysol wipes, and it was cleaned up with in seconds.    Her accident is not as bad as children having accidents in a public area but you do not see parents cleaning up the area after the children.  My SD is vet checked every 6 mo. more often if something comes up.  She has had all her vaccinations, she is groomed by a groomer ever 3 weeks, bathed by me if needed in between  grooming visits,  she is brushed before we leave the house. I try to go the extra mile to take care of her because she takes care of me.  We try to think of others.  Why can the public be so narrow minded about service animals.  Our SD&#8217;s are just another tool to help us with our condition.   If  you see me having to inject insulin demand I not inject myself with the needed medication,   If you see me having to take a nitro because I am having angina or chest pain get mad, throw a temper tantrum, demand I leave the building.   If you see a person having a seizure would you demand the business not allow that person to ever return to the business.  This is modern times not mid EVIL times.   Try educating yourself about all the medical alert SD can take care of.    Try a little compassion for others that are not luck enough to have the good health you have been blessed with.</p>
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