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	<title>Comments on: Table for One, at Rione XIII</title>
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		<title>By: LookatLao</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2012/10/17/table-for-one-at-rione-xiii/#comment-104967</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 01:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has turned into a bigger stink than it should be, I was merely responding to Audrey&#039;s notion that if I really wanted attribution for my work I should have made my name more prominent on the RioneXIII website. But attribution is not my issue here. It&#039;s usage. I think if people want to use other people&#039;s work they might consider asking first. Perhaps they don&#039;t *have* to,  and if you want to call a photograph from a website showing no browser chrome or navigation a &quot;screenshot&quot;, then go ahead. I&#039;m not about to debate the minutia of copyright law here—it&#039;s not worth our time—nor is it really all that important to me.

Bottom line: Attribution is great. Permission is better. (Especially in the case of an opinion piece.)  End of the day, not a big deal. But thanks for considering my opinions on the matter either way. It&#039;s appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has turned into a bigger stink than it should be, I was merely responding to Audrey&#8217;s notion that if I really wanted attribution for my work I should have made my name more prominent on the RioneXIII website. But attribution is not my issue here. It&#8217;s usage. I think if people want to use other people&#8217;s work they might consider asking first. Perhaps they don&#8217;t *have* to,  and if you want to call a photograph from a website showing no browser chrome or navigation a &#8220;screenshot&#8221;, then go ahead. I&#8217;m not about to debate the minutia of copyright law here—it&#8217;s not worth our time—nor is it really all that important to me.</p>
<p>Bottom line: Attribution is great. Permission is better. (Especially in the case of an opinion piece.)  End of the day, not a big deal. But thanks for considering my opinions on the matter either way. It&#8217;s appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van Baker</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2012/10/17/table-for-one-at-rione-xiii/#comment-104966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael van Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lao, in defense of this particular online publication, we work very hard not  to use photos without permission, and to make sure attribution is correct. 

That said, it&#039;s my researched understanding that screenshots of websites are technically permissible when it comes to relevant news &amp; criticism, both of which are called out in exclusions to copyright. For instance, Wikipedia can use this partial screenshot of the BBC&#039;s home page, which is copyrighted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News_Online. See their statement explaining their usage.

But it&#039;s difficult, especially when the screenshot contains photos by a third party.

In this case, I agree that anyone would be hard-pressed to tell the image we used was a detail from Rione&#039;s site and not a copy of your photo, so better to err on the side of the photographer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lao, in defense of this particular online publication, we work very hard not  to use photos without permission, and to make sure attribution is correct. </p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s my researched understanding that screenshots of websites are technically permissible when it comes to relevant news &amp; criticism, both of which are called out in exclusions to copyright. For instance, Wikipedia can use this partial screenshot of the BBC&#8217;s home page, which is copyrighted: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News_Online" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News_Online</a>. See their statement explaining their usage.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s difficult, especially when the screenshot contains photos by a third party.</p>
<p>In this case, I agree that anyone would be hard-pressed to tell the image we used was a detail from Rione&#8217;s site and not a copy of your photo, so better to err on the side of the photographer.</p>
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		<title>By: LookatLao</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2012/10/17/table-for-one-at-rione-xiii/#comment-104965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LookatLao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Audrey: My name is &quot;buried&quot; on purpose. I don&#039;t really have any desire to plaster my name all over my clients&#039; websites. The issue here isn&#039;t attribution, it&#039;s unauthorized use. While I know it&#039;s very common, it&#039;s not okay to simply pull a photo off of a website and use it in an article without permission from either the website or the photographer. A line of credit does not satisfy permission—in print or online.

The photograph was originally credited to RioneXIII and that&#039;s fine. And perhaps if the article was a glowing review I might not have said anything. But that&#039;s my decision to make as both the photographer and the person running the website. I suppose that&#039;s a little jerky on my part, but until online publications start hiring photographers, that&#039;s how I&#039;m going to play it.

It&#039;s just a blog post, and really, it&#039;s not that big of a deal at all. And I&#039;m a designer first, so I don&#039;t make my living solely off photography—but I have plenty of friends who do. Online publications seem to have lost all respect for the work these people do.

Just ask first, that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audrey: My name is &#8220;buried&#8221; on purpose. I don&#8217;t really have any desire to plaster my name all over my clients&#8217; websites. The issue here isn&#8217;t attribution, it&#8217;s unauthorized use. While I know it&#8217;s very common, it&#8217;s not okay to simply pull a photo off of a website and use it in an article without permission from either the website or the photographer. A line of credit does not satisfy permission—in print or online.</p>
<p>The photograph was originally credited to RioneXIII and that&#8217;s fine. And perhaps if the article was a glowing review I might not have said anything. But that&#8217;s my decision to make as both the photographer and the person running the website. I suppose that&#8217;s a little jerky on my part, but until online publications start hiring photographers, that&#8217;s how I&#8217;m going to play it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a blog post, and really, it&#8217;s not that big of a deal at all. And I&#8217;m a designer first, so I don&#8217;t make my living solely off photography—but I have plenty of friends who do. Online publications seem to have lost all respect for the work these people do.</p>
<p>Just ask first, that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2012/10/17/table-for-one-at-rione-xiii/#comment-104964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Audrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that you&#039;re the photog from the Website Info page of the restaurant&#039;s site, but that&#039;s kinda buried. Maybe also put the credit for your photos right below them on the restaurant&#039;s site? Then it would be easy for anyone who comes across your pics to give accurate attribution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that you&#8217;re the photog from the Website Info page of the restaurant&#8217;s site, but that&#8217;s kinda buried. Maybe also put the credit for your photos right below them on the restaurant&#8217;s site? Then it would be easy for anyone who comes across your pics to give accurate attribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van Baker</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2012/10/17/table-for-one-at-rione-xiii/#comment-104963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael van Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem was with my meal being interrupted when I was about 5 minutes from finishing. Some people are bothered by interruptions; if you are not, that&#039;s God&#039;s blessing on you. 

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s losing business to tell someone who shows up without a reservation that they may have to wait 5 minutes to get seats together because another patron is finishing his meal. 

It&#039;s not a hard and fast line, when it&#039;s okay to ask someone to scoot over, but it is a request of a guest, so I would recommend being chary with it--especially at a new restaurant hoping to establish a clientele. 

So, options might have been: Hostess privately inquires with guest, instead of bringing the couple along with, so guest has the chance to say, you know, I&#039;ll be done in 5. Or, hostess says, &quot;I would be so grateful, can I offer you [glass of wine, coffee] for your trouble?&quot; Most likely it will be waved off, but if not, the ruffled guest will likely be mollified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem was with my meal being interrupted when I was about 5 minutes from finishing. Some people are bothered by interruptions; if you are not, that&#8217;s God&#8217;s blessing on you. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s losing business to tell someone who shows up without a reservation that they may have to wait 5 minutes to get seats together because another patron is finishing his meal. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a hard and fast line, when it&#8217;s okay to ask someone to scoot over, but it is a request of a guest, so I would recommend being chary with it&#8211;especially at a new restaurant hoping to establish a clientele. </p>
<p>So, options might have been: Hostess privately inquires with guest, instead of bringing the couple along with, so guest has the chance to say, you know, I&#8217;ll be done in 5. Or, hostess says, &#8220;I would be so grateful, can I offer you [glass of wine, coffee] for your trouble?&#8221; Most likely it will be waved off, but if not, the ruffled guest will likely be mollified.</p>
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		<title>By: redhairseattle</title>
		<link>http://thesunbreak.com/2012/10/17/table-for-one-at-rione-xiii/#comment-104962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[redhairseattle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you care that you had to scoot over to allow room for other diners? you do remember that you are in a place of business right? Should the restaurant loose out on business simply because you want to enjoy a gelato and cookie you hate? i live in the neighborhood and i think this place is busy for a reason. If you gave up your seat on the bus for someone in need would you post on your blog about that as well? get a life and quit bitching about your first world problems... Nobody cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you care that you had to scoot over to allow room for other diners? you do remember that you are in a place of business right? Should the restaurant loose out on business simply because you want to enjoy a gelato and cookie you hate? i live in the neighborhood and i think this place is busy for a reason. If you gave up your seat on the bus for someone in need would you post on your blog about that as well? get a life and quit bitching about your first world problems&#8230; Nobody cares.</p>
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