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	<title>Comments on: An Off the Boards Discussion of Annie Dorsen&#8217;s &#8220;A Piece of Work&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Curious Georges in a conversation with Seattle</description>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John M.]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t seen this show, but the description makes me think of many questions first raised in the experimental music communities in the 1950s.  Schoenberg&#039;s 12-tone method wasn&#039;t intended to be an algorithm to generate a piece, but Pierre Boulez, Milton Babbitt, and others developed &quot;total serialism&quot; into a sort of compositional algorithm.  Many other composers in the 50s and 60s experimented with various rules for generating music, determining musical order, etc.  At the same time, advances in technology led to more performances with more determined (less &quot;live&quot;) components -- electronic tape, performance with live (sometimes programmed) electronics, etc.  It seems a lot of the debates that happened in the 50s and 60s about the aesthetics of those experiments are very similar to the issues in the present work by Dorsen.

In most cases, composers tended to create their own &quot;raw material&quot; to be manipulated by an algorithm (usually numbers that could then be converted to pitches, rhythms, even instrumentation or articulation, etc.).  However, in the decades since, there have been plenty of algorithmic manipulations of pre-existing materials.  Perhaps the most well-known in this regard is the composer David Cope, whose program &quot;Emmy&quot; took an input of a set of works by a certain composer (Chopin mazurkas, Bach fugues, etc.) and then would &quot;compose&quot; new works in that style, which often sound a bit like jumbled rearrangements of those old works.  Some of the better &quot;compositions&quot; (as judged by Cope) were selected and ultimately received some good performances in live and recorded form.  In such cases, the attribution of compositional &quot;intent&quot; to the machine is often much stronger than the description of Dorsen&#039;s piece, and the resulting works (while rarely sounding like true new works) at least sounded like &quot;music&quot; roughly in the given style.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen this show, but the description makes me think of many questions first raised in the experimental music communities in the 1950s.  Schoenberg&#8217;s 12-tone method wasn&#8217;t intended to be an algorithm to generate a piece, but Pierre Boulez, Milton Babbitt, and others developed &#8220;total serialism&#8221; into a sort of compositional algorithm.  Many other composers in the 50s and 60s experimented with various rules for generating music, determining musical order, etc.  At the same time, advances in technology led to more performances with more determined (less &#8220;live&#8221;) components &#8212; electronic tape, performance with live (sometimes programmed) electronics, etc.  It seems a lot of the debates that happened in the 50s and 60s about the aesthetics of those experiments are very similar to the issues in the present work by Dorsen.</p>
<p>In most cases, composers tended to create their own &#8220;raw material&#8221; to be manipulated by an algorithm (usually numbers that could then be converted to pitches, rhythms, even instrumentation or articulation, etc.).  However, in the decades since, there have been plenty of algorithmic manipulations of pre-existing materials.  Perhaps the most well-known in this regard is the composer David Cope, whose program &#8220;Emmy&#8221; took an input of a set of works by a certain composer (Chopin mazurkas, Bach fugues, etc.) and then would &#8220;compose&#8221; new works in that style, which often sound a bit like jumbled rearrangements of those old works.  Some of the better &#8220;compositions&#8221; (as judged by Cope) were selected and ultimately received some good performances in live and recorded form.  In such cases, the attribution of compositional &#8220;intent&#8221; to the machine is often much stronger than the description of Dorsen&#8217;s piece, and the resulting works (while rarely sounding like true new works) at least sounded like &#8220;music&#8221; roughly in the given style.</p>
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