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The Case for a Cannabis Collective

By Michael van Baker
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I've been covering the progress of the marijuana legalization initiative, which has apparently gotten me on a high-level marijuana policy list. From way over in Richland, WA, comes this letter from the Three Rivers Collective, which makes the case for collectives for cannabis cultivation. Many of you probably think that since Washington allows medical marijuana use, patients have unfettered access to prescribed medicine. Chet R. Biggerstaff writes in to correct that.

Chet R. Biggerstaff

The people of Washington State decided back in 1998 that certain patients should be able to use and access cannabis without the fear of arrest and persecution. We passed an initiative that gave patients a legal defense in court only as anything more at the time would not have passed.

What this was supposed to have done was stop the arrests of very ill patients and to allow them to use cannabis as their medicine as well as to have access to it. It further allowed the patient to grow their own medicine or have a caregiver grow it for them. The spirit of the law was to make sure patients could use, access, and grow (or have grown by a caregiver) their medicine without fear of arrest or discrimination, but that is not what we have achieved. What we have now are patients that can’t get their medicine, and patients that are scared of their local police and officials.

Patients are supposed to grow their own or have a caregiver grow it for them. This was a good idea initially but has had some "unexpected" issues. Most patients can't grow their own for a number of reasons like a place to do so, or are too sick to do so. So the powers that be say you can have someone grow it for you. Well, this sounds good on paper but it does not work in practice in the current environment.

What is happening to the patients that need a caregiver is either they can’t find anyone to do so for them without taking advantage or they are being ripped off by said caregivers. The vast majority of people I've come across that want to be caregivers are not doing so for the patients but for their pocketbooks. They say they will grow for the patient but then turn around and charge the patient either street prices or very close to street prices for something they should only be paying cost for (power, nutrients, etc) and then turn around and either use the "excess" themselves or sell it on the black market. 

A true story: We had a gentleman come in to a public meeting that wanted to become a patient. This person had no documented injury or illness and I explained that he did not qualify under Washington state law. He then asked for contact information on patients that needed a caregiver. He said that if he could not be a patient that he would be a caregiver for someone and that way get his "medicine" (recreational use) for himself and to make money on the side.

I explained to him that as he had stated he wanted medicine for himself and didn't qualify as a patient and that he had gone as far to say that he wanted to take advantage of the law to further his own ends (not in so many words), that I could not now or ever connect him with a patient as it was people like him that were causing so many problems for the actual patients.

Needless to say he then decided to wait till after the meeting to try to dissuade other patients from working with us because we would not help him. This is actually a quite common story and is repeated day in and day out all over the state. There is a severe lack of legitimate caregivers in Washington state that are out to actually help the patients rather than take advantage of them. 

The law that was passed back in 1998 was meant to provide access to medicine as well as protect patients from arrest and prosecution. What we have is local governments saying, "Sure, go ahead and go out of town (in the same state) to get your medicine...that's okay. You can even use it here locally in your home out of sight of the public. But, don’t even think about getting it locally or using it where you need to as we will arrest you."

The guidelines say a patient can have up to 15 plants and up to 24 oz. of usable medicine in their possession unless your doctor says you can have more. Our local (and many other areas of the state) authorities say that if your doctor says you can have more and you do have more, they will arrest you. They also say that we cannot put our plants together in a collective grow to help each other and that each patient needs to do so on their own.

Nowhere in the law does it say patients can’t put their plants together to help each other. It also doesn’t say we can. What our local officials are doing here is creating their own interpretation based on personal views/agendas rather than what the law actually says. It has always been my understanding that if something is not specifically illegal then it is legal until made illegal by developing a bill/law to do so.

Neither law enforcement nor our political leaders have done so, but continue to set a totally different standard for cannabis contrary to how laws are made in the USA. Why is it the powers that be can make a whole set of "special" rules for cannabis when no other law is based on this way of thinking? 

Our law's intent was to say it is okay for qualifying patients to use and access cannabis without the fear of arrest and prosecution. This also means that if we are allowed to use cannabis as medicine then the acquisition of said medicine has to be legal as well. You can’t have one without the other.

But what our local officials say is that we can grow it only. You can’t buy the seeds or clones to get started (it’s against the law) but you can grow it. You can use it as medicine but you can’t acquire it. How does this work? All this interpretation does is further law enforcements view that cannabis has no medical value and effectively bans growing by default.  You cannot allow access without allowing the process of procurement.

Further, our local officials (and many others from around the state) are trying to ban access to our medicine as they don't agree with its use as medicine. Last time I checked our local politicians were not doctors. They say you can use it but you can't buy, sell, or trade the seed or clone to get started so patients must break the law to grow their own if even they can.

How is this compassionate? How does this help patients get and use their life saving medicine? How can our local officials even think they are being true to the spirit of the law?

The fact is they have not and have no intention of allowing its use or procurement. They are correct that the law is silent on how a patient is supposed to obtain their medicine, clones, and seeds. The fact still remains that it is medicine and the patients need it. It does not matter how law enforcement or our political leaders feel personally about this.

They are supposed to listen to the will of the people and then work with the interested parties to develop something that will work in the current environment and to make changes as needed to conform to changes in the evolving laws. They are not supposed to make their own way of interpreting just this law nor are they supposed to try to undermine it because they don't personally agree. This is exactly what is happening. 

The patients, unfortunately, are the ones that have to do the hard work. They have to form groups to help each other despite threats from law enforcement. They have to purchase off the black/gray market to get their medicine as the powers that be will not allow us to take control of the supply. They feel much better about leaving the supply issue in the black market and to have patients forced to break the laws just to obtain their medicine.

If we cannot put our plants together and grow our own for our groups (collectives) then we have no chance of getting the price down. Right now we are forced to pay anywhere from $3,000-$4,500 per pound of medicine that we have no way of knowing anything about (how it was grown, what was used on it, is it clean or not, etc.).

Then there is the safety issue. Our local officials think it is far safer for each patient to grow at home with the possibility of robbery and violence. They think that it is easier to control this way but it makes absolutely no sense. How can securing hundreds or even thousands of locations be safer and easier than a few larger locations? Quite simply, it's not.

It is too bad that our officials cannot see through their reefer madness to see what they are actually doing to our state’s most vulnerable people. It is the patients and the general public that will have to move on this as our officials have made it quite clear that they will fight us around every bend.

All patients need to stand up and be counted. They need to form groups and become active in this fight. Yes, I know that we are in terrible pain and sickness but no one else is going to do it for us. If we want to have true legal access to our medicine we will have to do it ourselves.

You cannot allow access to medicine but not allow its procurement.

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Fake name?
Is "Biggerstaff" a real name or a rad pseudonym? I'm jealous
Comment by Steve Winwood
2 months ago
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RE: Fake name?
We're *all* jealous, Steve.
Comment by Michael van Baker
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RE: Fake name?
Check out the article on Dick Brass - a former MSFT VP.

How'd you like that for your name as a mucky-muck? If they're lucky, Ballmer's the only dick brass there now.
Comment by bilco
2 months ago
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RE: Fake name?
Both of those names made me laugh. But then again, I am a thirteen-year-old boy.
Comment by Audrey Hendrickson
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RE: Fake name?
Audrey, Audrey - at some level we're all 13-year old boys.
Comment by bilco
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Is "Biggerstaff" a real name or a rad pseudonym?
Yes, it is my real name. I'm a bit disappointed that my name seems to be the center of the discussion though.......
Comment by Chet R Biggerstaff
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People are suffering
and we focus on a Beavis & Butthead play on someone's last name. See you Saturday Chet :)


MGL
Comment by Mr Green Lungz
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well reasoned
This is one of the more easily read position papers on the issue. I was able to actually make it through the whole piece. Well reasoned and informative.
Comment by JeanineA
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Chet's "cost of production"
Chet, let's get real a moment. First of all as a cargiver myself. I am truly dissapointed in your said. "cost of growing" let me see. Besides electricity and nutients; that aren't cheap. Just go into the local hydroponic store and you will see nutrients and equipent quickly amount to thousands of dollars. Then add in the cost of good genetics, soil, monthly electric bill, pest control, Cost of rented room, and the staggering number of man hours it takes to grow quality cannabis. Oh and let's not forget the cost of crop loss and the stress of police and legal battles and fees. Crunch those numbers and let me know what the "real cost is".

Now in your utopian world you would like to practically give marijuana away. What is to stop the patients from selling their medicine on the street for a very nice profit.
I feel that if we keep prices up near street value and are able to tax the sales we will cut down on the untaxed black market of patients medication.
Please excuse the typos. This message was sent from my iPhone.
Comment by Glenn
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Chets ridiculous interpretation of costs....
Chets article brings to light sevral good points as it pertains to how some "bad apples" are taking advantage of the Washngton state laws as they r currently written. But more importantly how a large majority of our local city governmnts Like to use their own intrpretations of said laws to prevent us from growing our supplies togthr. Yes! These r rights that we must fght them to overturn. But I find reason as well to dispute some of chets comments abt patients only having to pay the cost of power, nutrients, etc etc. Should there not b a value put on the man hours that it takes to cultivate their medicine? And shld there not be a sliding scale of price as it pertains to quality? Chet shld know, as quality increases then so do the man hours.... Yes, the bigger point is to ensure that patients with valid prescriptions b able to get their medicine. But don't imply that caregivrs charging premium prices r thieves when it is as much as a fulltime job to produce the "highest quality" marijuana from start to finish on a consistnt basis!• Milo fckn reeks!!!!!
Comment by Mason shyztre
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chet is a fake
i lived with the guy for a while......he sits around and gets high all day, then goes down stairs and plays on his drums all day, and does his crafting with heavy iron works....now if he was hurt as bad as he says he is he wouldne able to do all this...

basicaly lives off the government and recives a check so that he can buy new music equipment....while real people with unjurys suffer
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Comments
The way the law is written in WA State does not allow sales or even reimbursement. I am not saying that we should not be able to recoup our costs but most caregivers "costs" are very inflated and are more in line with street prices. I have been growing for over ten years and am very aware of what it costs to grow but my article was not about setting up a grow but growing. Of course, if a grow isn’t setup the costs will be more due to equipment needs...that’s a no brainer. Yes I do give away medicine, clones, seed and help for no charge when able to. You need to remember patients usually don’t have a lot of money and charging them street prices is just dumb as it takes advantage. If we were to go strictly by state law it would have to be given for free as growing is the only valid source of procurement. We all know that is impossible and that money must be involved but ripping off patients isn’t reasonable either. I think you took the article out of context as I never said it had to be free or that I even agreed with that train of thought. Reasonable reimbursement must be allowed and it will be in our bill we are working on with Senator Delvin. If you’d like to be involved just shoot us an email as we are working on language now for the bill.

Chet is a fake- yes you did live here for a bit and you were also fired from caregiver status for stealing my property and medicine....you’re lucky I didn’t have the cops after you. nuff said.
Comment by Chet R Biggerstaff
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Chet is a fake
this person is a perfect example of what im talking about. I wont use his name as I dont play like that. he was hired to be my caregiver as im in bed 85-90% of every day and night. He recived free rent and board as well as other perks and he turns around and steals. He did absolutly nothing to help and in turn stole my property as well as my moraphine and cannabis. I dont know how anyone can take advantage of a patient like that. Lowest form of life there is.
Comment by Chet R Biggerstaff
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Tax it? Really?!?
You really want to tax our medicine?!?! Why on earth would you want to do that when we don’t tax all the other medicines? This is something I will fight against as patients are already overtaxed by the "caregivers" and dealers. All opportunities to reduce the cost to patients should be minutely examined as I know living off SSI income doesn’t leave any for medicine which is why I had to start growing....I would much prefer to not have to grow but have a safe place locally that I could get my meds. If you can show me why we should tax cannabis please explain as right now I’m totally against taxing it.
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Comments part II
I also think your interpretation of "cost" is different than mine. My definition is all expenses involved in the process of growing including the following...
Utilities, seed or clone to start (usually a onetime expense), equipment, soil/nutes, and a reasonable amount for time involved. If you look close you’ll see the greatest expense is in equipment which is mostly a onetime expense which is paid for after most "caregivers" 1st crop. This means that all subsequent crops should not be as expensive as the 1st or even 1st few crops (if for some reason it takes longer to recoup). One of the problems I touch on is that even after a grower’s expense for equipment is covered they continue to charge street prices for their medicine which is actually the patient’s medicine. This is where the patient that has a caregiver growing for them should only pay expense which is FAR less that $80+ per 1/4oz. This is where you have “caregivers” filling their pockets at the patient’s expense. Don’t get me wrong I believe that growers should be able to recoup some money for their time involved but not anywhere near what’s being charged to patients now. The whole idea about being a caregiver is to HELP the patient and charging them as much as possible is in no way shape or form helping.
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Deffinition of a caregiver
It also seems that there are many "caregivers" that feel they are entitled to lots of money for what they are doing. Unfortunately this is now what the law is about. The law was written to help PATIENTS get their medicine not to enrich said "caregivers". When a caregiver charges street prices to the patient they are in the wrong as it is NOT the caregivers’ medicine but the patients. The whole reason caregivers was even included was that many patients can’t grow for any number of reasons so it was added that a person can help the patient by growing the PATIENTS crop for them. Nowhere in the law does it say you should be reimbursed ANYTHING nor does it say you are entitled to anything other than the privilege of helping a person that can’t help themselves. If you want to make money go to CA as even our bill will be non-profit sales which means you don’t get ANYTHING except provable expenses. Once cannabis is open to all for recreational purposes then you can charge all you like. It seems to me that you and many others are in the wrong field for the wrong reasons which is causing the real patients all sorts of problems.
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